[identity profile] m-cubicle.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] dragoncon_lj_archive
EDIT: With the great response this post is getting, let's try and make something happen here. Send Dragon*con security any ideas you may have in ways to improve security for the 2011 show. Go to the contact security form through the D*Con web page. Get as many people as you can to do the same. Pass the word along. Select "security" from the drop down menu. The hotels and Dragon*con MUST agree to start checking badges or room keys at the hotel entrances  to keep the non-con goers out.  Why should we pay and others not?!

dragoncon.org/dc_contact.php

Since it doesn't seem like anyone has addressed this issue for D*Con 2011 recently, I will go ahead and put it on the table.

As I'm sure many others noticed, last year there were several security concerns during the convention. I remember reading all the different posts of women being accosted and "felt up" by individuals who had no badge and nothing to do with the convention itself. Letters were mailed to the hotel and complaints filed. Since then, it has all gone quiet.... Has anything been done by the hotel or Dragon*Con to alleviate this problem? Or, are the powers that be just hoping we would all forget about it and just deal for next year?

I have noticed every year the convention getting more and more filled with people who have come to the hotels thinking they would be getting a free "freaks on parade" show. Individuals include: Football fans, nearby college students, and random people off the street hoping to get a free good time at the expense of those who paid to be there. It's not the same convention it was 5 years ago, the con is changing and not for the good.

Before I go dumping more hard earned money on a convention that is already getting ridiculously priced, are any of these issues going to be addressed? What is to keep random grabby pervs away from my girlfriend or friends? With everything getting expensive these days, I need some re-assurances that this will be a safe convention and the money will be well spent. I wonder what the ratio is of people who just wander in off the streets is, to those who actually paid for a badge?

Date: 2011-05-25 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littledrow.livejournal.com
Agreed, entirely! But nobody seems to be saying to the D*C PTB that they're expectations for volunteering for security are unrealistic. All that's being said is what they should do with the little amount of volunteers they already have. If they lower their expected amount of time that they REQUIRE of volunteers (24 hrs total, I believe) they would have many more people helping out.

Date: 2011-05-25 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elvishtard.livejournal.com
I also stated that maybe they should take the "booze line" money and transfer it to getting a few more Cobb County cops to stand guard, or create a organized group with set times, that takes con goers back and forth to the further hotels late at night.

Date: 2011-05-25 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littledrow.livejournal.com
What booze line money? You want con goers to take the money they would put towards buying that $2 beer while they wait in reg line towards paying for security that would be normally free if only D*C would alter their policy?

I have agreed with some things that have been said, not had enough knowledge to agree with others, and flat out disagree with still others. I understand that not everyone drinks. I even understand that some people SHOULDN'T drink. But trying for a prohibition stance in relation to the con is really missing the mark, IMO.

Date: 2011-05-25 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elvishtard.livejournal.com
They're offering a booze cart at Reg-line. Why??

I'm not trying to start a prohibition stance, I don't care if people drink, if it's not hurting anyone else. It's when they DO hurt someone else, or cause a fuss that it gets ridiculous.

I'm saying that some things in the budget, shouldn't go to things that could worsen the situation. How 'bout moving it to something that will better the safety. But whatever. This conversation isn't going any farther, I don't think Dragon*con will take any heed or turn back to the olden days; that's too much to hope for.

They made the decision to serve more alcohol. They made the decision to advertise to a market that didn't belong at the con in the first place. They've made alot of decisions despite what some con-goers might think or feel. It's out of our hands, we know this.

This is seen more as a vent and a slight hope for some sort of resolution and hope for change. Why should those of us who want safety, an arena to showcase the costumes we've worked so hard on, and a haven for nerdom, have to deal with OTHER nerds bashing us for not drinking and wanting an older sense of con-feeling back?

[livejournal.com profile] m_cubicle wasn't trying to start a fight, he's going through what alot of us are going though: fearing for our safety at a place that used to be alot different. Once in a while you have to bitch and be heard.

Date: 2011-05-25 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littledrow.livejournal.com
Then bitch to D*C. The PTB have nothing to do with this community. I'm not even sure they read it.

And I don't believe that it was D*C's decision to serve beer, soda and water at the reg line. The hotel made it available as a courtesy to alleviate the wait. If a con goer made the decision to buy a beer instead of water or soda then that's their adult decision. Take it up with them.

Date: 2011-05-25 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elvishtard.livejournal.com
Understood. I didn't know who's idea it was, I just didn't think it was an appropriate idea. How about just water and soda? Yeah it's an adult decision, but unfortunately, there's too many adults that don't have their heads screwed on right.

But eh. Alot of people have bitched, not just me. Like you said, you tried to get a suggestion presented to the board, and it fell on deaf ears. Others have tried contacting the hotel because of the groping/near rapes problem, and calls went un-answered, messages unchecked.

*sigh* It's futile in the end.

Date: 2011-05-25 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littledrow.livejournal.com
Nothing is ever futile. Never give up until you are dead. Change CAN happen, but there must be more of an effort than just complaining and arguing with each other here. Ok! We're all on the same page now let's DO something with our outrage! POWER TO THE PEOPLE! *ahem* Sorry...got carried away there. ;)

We cannot begin to try to control people's decisions. Certainly the hotel could only offer soda and water to the reg lines, but they make more money off of the beer. At the end of the day, right/wrong/immoral, the hotels are out to make money. D*C, Atlanta and the hotels are functioning businesses, and I think we need to remember that. That isn't to say I'm excusing anything, but it is something to bear in mind on where to put blame.

Date: 2011-05-25 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elvishtard.livejournal.com
*Thumbs all the way up to this*

Re: Random

Date: 2011-05-25 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elvishtard.livejournal.com
Kitty impersonating Leo Strut. Kitty strut, wha wha wha what, kitty strut.

Date: 2011-05-25 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ringwraith10.livejournal.com
Do you think it might be possible to write up a template of sorts for people who would like to follow your advise and contact DragonCon staff? I'm sure there are a lot of people who would be willing to write an email expressing an interest in an updated security system, but are unsure of what to say in their email.

Date: 2011-05-25 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littledrow.livejournal.com
It's possible, I suppose. I could see if my friend still has the email she sent to the PTB. PM me for contact info.

Date: 2011-05-27 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ringwraith10.livejournal.com
My thoughts were really more that perhaps you could create a separate post in the community addressing the issues that you brought up here, and explaining to everyone how to send an email to the PTB. :) Of course, if that's intimidating, you don't have to do it. Just a suggestion. :)

Date: 2011-05-27 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littledrow.livejournal.com
We already put up a post a while back addressing all of this, and this one did a pretty good job of fleshing it out too.

I don't want to be responsible for, nor suggest that people flood the PTB with emails. I don't think that is a good way to get ourselves heard. I feel that would just be counterproductive by making them angry with the spamming.

I'm not intimidated. I am more than willing to speak my mind and bluntly. That said, I would point people towards the D*C website to find the contact list and recommend a polite and respectful email/phone call/letter with real suggestions on how to fix the issue. That was what we did but I will tell you that we never got a response. It is my opinion that the PTB connected with security do not have their fingers on the pulse of the attendees for whatever reason. From here it seems like neglect and a lack of concern. We also made that known politely and respectfully, but again...no response.

Best of luck whatever you choose!

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