Safety and volunteers for next year
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I originally posted this as a comment on this post: http://community.livejournal.com/dragoncon/2542632.html
Since then I emailed several people at Dragoncon and my emails are being forwarded to the Security department and to the Convention Operations Director. I am sending along some of the ideas from below in hopes of putting together an actual sanctioned by D*C safety crew but some of us think that if that doesn't happen then there are still ways that we can all help out next year.
Here is the idea:
Ideally in a perfect world the best solution would be more police or official security but that costs money and might not be something they'll implement.
Comicon has a volunteer program where you do 3 hour shifts, one each day you're there and you get a special t-shirt only available to the volunteers. If you successfully do all your assignments then you get special access to an event the next year that others don't.
If we offered something like a discount on your ticket, the shirt and the access the next year along with the shorter shifts (I was told DragonCon volunteer security was 25 hours mandatory over the weekend which probably scares a lot of people off) you could get a whole squad of people to help out.
Now they wouldn't be full on security with the ability to kick someone out or manhandle them into submission probably but what you could have is a large group of people in very bright and obvious shirts (Say Neon orange with a huge DRAGON CON SAFETY VOLUNTEER logo) that let you know they are the DragonCon brute squad and they have a radio. They could be escorts from one hotel to another on the street level. They could be the people that you know to look for in a crowd if someone is being hassled who could instantly radio for the off duty police or other security. They are the people that could come and stand with someone who is feeling threatened and waiting for someone to come from their room or another hotel.
For people who aren't there all the days of the Con but would still like to help they could have a meeting every morning to train people in how to use the radio, where to meet up for their shift, get a map of the grounds and hotels etc. That way there isn't the hassle to try to attend a pre con meeting that is a pretty far trip for everyone that doesn't live in Atlanta.
I happen to know at least one very large man who would do jump at the chance to do this after the things being reported this year. And if we could sprinkle a lot more bodies out there to move people along and be there for someone to run/yell for when there's a problem it would probably help. And since they are there looking for trouble it's a lot more likely they could take a photo with a phone or something for the police than the person who is just trying to get away from a dangerous situation.
Just something to think about.
If no one will sanction it for being affiliated with the con there are still ways we can help out. Volunteer escorts to other hotels etc could be arranged pretty easily and we will come up with other ideas as needed.
I will let you know what kind of answers I get back from talking to people affiliated with the con. Thanks.
Since then I emailed several people at Dragoncon and my emails are being forwarded to the Security department and to the Convention Operations Director. I am sending along some of the ideas from below in hopes of putting together an actual sanctioned by D*C safety crew but some of us think that if that doesn't happen then there are still ways that we can all help out next year.
Here is the idea:
Ideally in a perfect world the best solution would be more police or official security but that costs money and might not be something they'll implement.
Comicon has a volunteer program where you do 3 hour shifts, one each day you're there and you get a special t-shirt only available to the volunteers. If you successfully do all your assignments then you get special access to an event the next year that others don't.
If we offered something like a discount on your ticket, the shirt and the access the next year along with the shorter shifts (I was told DragonCon volunteer security was 25 hours mandatory over the weekend which probably scares a lot of people off) you could get a whole squad of people to help out.
Now they wouldn't be full on security with the ability to kick someone out or manhandle them into submission probably but what you could have is a large group of people in very bright and obvious shirts (Say Neon orange with a huge DRAGON CON SAFETY VOLUNTEER logo) that let you know they are the DragonCon brute squad and they have a radio. They could be escorts from one hotel to another on the street level. They could be the people that you know to look for in a crowd if someone is being hassled who could instantly radio for the off duty police or other security. They are the people that could come and stand with someone who is feeling threatened and waiting for someone to come from their room or another hotel.
For people who aren't there all the days of the Con but would still like to help they could have a meeting every morning to train people in how to use the radio, where to meet up for their shift, get a map of the grounds and hotels etc. That way there isn't the hassle to try to attend a pre con meeting that is a pretty far trip for everyone that doesn't live in Atlanta.
I happen to know at least one very large man who would do jump at the chance to do this after the things being reported this year. And if we could sprinkle a lot more bodies out there to move people along and be there for someone to run/yell for when there's a problem it would probably help. And since they are there looking for trouble it's a lot more likely they could take a photo with a phone or something for the police than the person who is just trying to get away from a dangerous situation.
Just something to think about.
If no one will sanction it for being affiliated with the con there are still ways we can help out. Volunteer escorts to other hotels etc could be arranged pretty easily and we will come up with other ideas as needed.
I will let you know what kind of answers I get back from talking to people affiliated with the con. Thanks.
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Date: 2010-09-10 11:14 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-09-10 11:17 pm (UTC)I'm of the opinion that ALL Dragon*Con staff should be wearing a distinctive brightly colored shirt for easy recognition, whether security or not. PAX and SWCV both did this and it was of great help in identifying the volunteers/staff in a crowd.
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Date: 2010-09-10 11:19 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2010-09-10 11:47 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-09-10 11:50 pm (UTC)And who doesn't love Fezzik?
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Date: 2010-09-10 11:53 pm (UTC)Speaking of...if we could get the huge but awesome man in the Darth Vader costume in on this, it'd be great!
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Date: 2010-09-11 12:14 am (UTC)Publicize it among congoers. Get badge ribbons & stickers, and make them easily available.
(In addition to other things. But this should definitely be included, as well as the con making an official anti-harassment policy.)
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Date: 2010-09-11 12:19 am (UTC)Also, I offer full-service coaching in high school teacher voice/carriage for anyone who wants it. It's amazing how quickly you can wither someone with that. ;)
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Date: 2010-09-11 12:14 am (UTC)Still if this comes to fruition Ill help. I have too many friends who go to con who are female and to be honest nothing like this should happen to anyone.
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Date: 2010-09-11 12:19 am (UTC)At the very least the idea of people who can escort lone guests to their rooms or have a set group to guide people to and from the Westin and off site places you have to go by street is a nice one.
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Date: 2010-09-11 12:22 am (UTC)But as far as you advise, it is good, very good. The only thing I don't like is the term "Brute Squad." I like the ideas of different color shirts so you can tell who is staff and who isn't.
I would also like to see it set up to were you couldn't even get in the hotel unless you were at the Con, or staying there. This would really cut down on the "gawkers".
But just my two cents worth...
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Date: 2010-09-11 01:02 am (UTC)I've lived in big cities by bad parts of town and sort of have a predilection of sticking my nose into situations like what I've heard described.
As a woman, I feel it'd be a help.. it's not always the big guys that are scary!
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Date: 2010-09-11 01:04 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2010-09-11 01:03 am (UTC)- there is a short guidelines/training session for the volunteers
-hotel staff are aware of who they are/what the shirts mean, so they're able to respond if someone on the safety help squad (or whatever you call it) needs assistance from security or for someone to call police.
I'd be happy to volunteer, actually. I'm not a guy but really, the presence of people obviously looking out for other folks would be sufficient in many cases, I think.
Incentive: priority badge line.
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Date: 2010-09-11 01:07 am (UTC)Part of the idea also is that more obvious bodies that are official might make some people less likely to try to harrass/assault someone. Easy to spot shirts and if Dragon Con goes for it they can put spots on D*C tv so people know what the shirts mean. It's my experience that the more obvious security or safety zones there are the less problems there are simply because they're more worried about getting caught.
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Date: 2010-09-11 01:07 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-11 01:14 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2010-09-11 01:19 am (UTC)Hell, when I go back in 2012 (taking 2011 off for personal reasons, nothing con related) I plan on cutting back on my drinking and keeping an eye out for my companions and for anything else that could be the start of trouble. Spot anything, then I'll be reporting it immediately.
The more we look out for each other, the better! :D
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Date: 2010-09-11 02:23 am (UTC)If anyone in interested in talking about it again, I'd be happy to offer my services. This was my 24th con, an old vet who also used to work Fantasy Fair,Dixie Trek and even Opus Con. Pat Henry might not reconize me, but I used to work for him and Titan long ago. I have a huge sentimental place in my heart for DCon and want to be part of the solution.
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Date: 2010-09-11 02:48 am (UTC)In the convention areas, we should look out for each other. Do you think you see someone looking threatened, take a picture than ask if there is a problem. That way you have proof if there is and you can just delete it if there is none. Better to have to explain your error than have someone hurt.
If you feel a little uncomfortable with someone or some group, look around and if you can’t find anyone official, just stay close to the nearest group with con badges. There is safety in numbers even among strangers. Ask if you need help, they will understand.
As far as a safe area, how about the 10th floor of the Marriott Marquis as a con badge only area? Already used by several groups and no “just passing through” traffic.
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Date: 2010-09-11 11:28 am (UTC)There are absolutely lots of ways we can keep watching out for each other and should! I'd rather walk up to someone who's maybe playing around and making sure they are okay instead of assuming they are even if it's gotten me complete scorn most of the time from the people involved.
We're definitely not presenting this as the only option and the better aware everyone was that there was a problem the less there should be a problem this year.
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Date: 2010-09-11 04:07 am (UTC)In addition, I think the con should officially send some kind of message out to future attendees to warn them of such possible scenarios they could encounter, and encourage us to travel in groups. I'm very thankful my girlfriend, a first time attendee this year, was constantly around myself and 2-3 of my guy friends. I know not everyone can have that, but we now we have more reason to invite friends and try to get them to come. Or at least maybe make new friends on forums or meet up at the con, so you can feel safer traveling in a larger group.
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Date: 2010-09-11 11:31 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-11 04:08 am (UTC)Also, I must say that complete strangers have looked out for my interests at DragonCon, whether asking if I needed help when I appeared lost, checking to make sure someone talking to me while I was trying to get to a panel or something wasn't harassing me, or people grazing me in the elevator apologizing for getting in my personal space and seeing that others respected my space as well.
DragonCon is comprised of a population of generous and compassionate people, for the most part. :) The responses her are proof of that and it's what I've experienced for years.
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Date: 2010-09-11 11:34 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-09-11 11:37 am (UTC)There's no reason it has to be a free entry for the shorter shifts but there's still incentives - like most of us are good people who want to make sure all the other good people there are safe!
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Date: 2010-09-11 03:11 pm (UTC)... I realize that's easy to take as sarcasm, but we have a geek culture, we're part of this community, and I'm genuinely grateful that you're pushing a way to protect our own in an environment that obviously needs protecting, after recent signs.
I was sort of thinking of putting a mass post together, but I didn't know where to start. I'd definitely join this effort, and also like the ideas of both Thursday seminars and DCTV bumpers for "crowd control", "respect", and "staying safe". Asking for help and staying in groups are definitely up there.
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Date: 2010-09-11 03:31 pm (UTC)The "official" security for the event comes from the company's security personnel, paired with local police officers specifically hired for the event. Obviously this is far too expensive for Dragon*Con to implement.
But everyone working the event, even the sweepers and queue tenders, know what to do when a security problem comes up. They know where the security people are in their area and can go to them if there are signs of a problem. These people do not enter into fights or try to break them up: that's the job of security. They report and watch, and try to keep bystanders from getting near the fight and getting injured.
The ordinary staff are also asked to fill out witness statements about any wrongdoing; this enables legal action, usually involving a trespass warrant against the wrongdoer, which lasts one year from the date of the infraction. This essentially keeps the person out of next year's event as well.
Moon Lady, thank you for starting some serious thought about security, and doing it almost a year away from the next convention. I hope Dragon*Con takes this and all the serious suggestions and starts working on a plan to implement next year.
Security's POV
Date: 2010-09-11 10:25 pm (UTC)What makes you all think we have not thought of all of these ideas?? And you know what will make these ideas a success??? People!!! We need volunteers!!
We had over 200 badges for Security....and guess how many actually showed up to volunteer? 97
We work the long hours because no one else is willing to work the basic 25, so everyone has to pick up the slack.
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Date: 2010-09-11 10:43 pm (UTC)Sorry, ain't happening.
So, when I can give the con 3-6 hours of my time, I'll be in line to do so along with a whole lot of other people.
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Date: 2010-09-11 11:24 pm (UTC)http://www.anime-expo.org/registration/staffing/
imagine how many more volunteers d-con could have if they had an option to work 4, 8 or 12 hours instead of the 25 over the 4 days.
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Date: 2010-09-15 12:52 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2010-09-15 01:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-15 02:26 pm (UTC)For now maybe you could email the security and general email through the website here: http://www.dragoncon.org/dc_contact.php
Reference them back to this post in the email and let them know you support action being taken to make con goers more secure this year. You can include my email for them if you want to private message me for it.
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Date: 2010-09-15 10:55 pm (UTC)Just a thought.
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Date: 2010-09-17 04:09 am (UTC)I'm planning on going to the Cruxshadows concert - I'll be perfectly willing to help with escort duties between hotels after that, or working the elevators.
But - yeah - there's no way I'm working full-on security again. Last time I did, my shifts stretched out and out and out; and even so, 25 hours versus $70 or even $100? That's $2 an hour - and the amount of time being asked is too much for me, esp. if I'm spending $500 to fly across the continent, then another couple hundred for the hotel room and food. No way.
That said - will I help out for one or two short shifts? To help out "my tribe", the geeks? Abso-frakin-lutely.
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Date: 2010-09-17 10:10 am (UTC)(no subject)
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